Talk:WikiCleanup

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Ideas from userpage

Though old some suggestions by Andrew Armstrong on his user page User:AndrewArmstrong may be useful. Jon (talk) 11:20, 20 December 2018 (UTC)  Done (20/12/2018)

Project WikiCleanup

I agree that the Wiki is out of date and lacking information. I would like to help. Maybe it would be good to meetup and discuss ideas? I'm going to edit the project page to make it more general. Some of my thoughts to follow. Jon (talk) 14:44, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

  • There will always be out of date information on the wiki, so I would say it could be a 'more useful resource' rather than 'counted on'.

 Done (18/12/2018)


Namespaces

  • Do we need to proliferate namespaces such as Project: Team: About: etc. The namespaces are partly to do with how the MediaWiki software handles pages - for example template: and category: are handled in specific ways. Jon (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
I agree with this point about Namespaces. For Teams and organizational stuff it seems to make sense but I'm not a fan of using them when it comes to projects. They aren't widely used on other wikis. I think they may even scare some people away from using the wiki as its another level of complexity. --Danspencer101 (talk) 16:31, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

AFAIK "Project:" (along with other invented namespaces) are not created as actual namespaces as far as MediaWiki is concerned, and these pages are all in the standard Article namespace. It's a nice way of separating out pages by purpose (e.g. You know straight away that a page called Project:WikiCleanup is a project, you know that Tool:Laser Cutter is about a tool, About: gives you info about the space, etc). I'd like to give every page a useful name to help with navigation. I'd also like to be ruthless about getting rid of old shit we don't need anymore (something hackspaces in general are very bad at), such as Fox Bandsaw which was removed from the space three years ago and hasn't been around ever for the last couple hundred members to sign up. Important historical information, such as the founding of the space and Hackspace 1.0 should be available at About:History, but we don't need to keep pages on every tool and every project that's ever been around. We especially don't need pages like Wall Of Faeces. Alexmann (talk) 21:07, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok I see your point, I just don’t like how it looks. The Project prefix just irks me for some reason but I’m sure I can get used to it. I’ll get behind the project: namespace as long as we go 100% in on it. Is a ‘batch move’ possible otherwise it’s a big job?
For the other namespaces I’d prefer a portal page to ease navigation rather than (or I guess, In addition to) using namespaces.
I’m generally against deleting pages if storage space isn’t a constraint. Would prefer just to use the Archive template. Although I agree with your point about that particular page. In my opinion, deleting is a last resort that should be used only when sensitive information is involved such as someone’s personal info being accidentally uploaded. —Danspencer101 (talk) 22:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Is this an option for batch moving all of the project pages?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MoveBatch.php
--Danspencer101 (talk) 09:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
I still don't think we need to prefix every page with the subject type it is. How does it help with navigation? Categories list of the pages of specific subject types. Infoboxes make it obvious what type of content the page has.
I'm an inclusionist. As long the current and most useful pages are obvious and easily accessed, what purpose does deleting historic information do? Jon (talk) 12:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Using the Fox Bandsaw as an example - it shows the complete life cycle of a tool from pledge drive to decommissioning. This is all part of the space's history. Jon (talk) 12:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Have to say I'm torn on this but think I generally agree with Jon, we shouldn't use this approach for Tools imho. Having moved the projects into the Project namespace I can see no benefit to navigation beyond what categories already gave us. If anything its harder to glance through the list at https://wiki.nottinghack.org.uk/wiki/Category:Projects now due to the sheer volume of text. --Danspencer101 (talk) 13:02, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
For reference I reverted all the projects back to (Main) namespace after some consultation on the Wiki Slack group. General consensus seemed to be that we wanted to keep it simple and avoid using namespaces where possible. --Danspencer101 (talk) 17:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done (05/02/2019)


Uncategorized Sub-Pages

EG: https://wiki.nottinghack.org.uk/wiki/2018-11-22_AGM_Agenda/Special_Resolutions_Explained What's the correct way to deal with categorizing sub-pages like this? I notice they don't inherit the category of the parent page. --Danspencer101 (talk) 15:55, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I think it depends on the category. For example, in the case of Category:Member's Meetings I don't it's useful to have every subpage listed because it distracts from seeing each event, in an already populous category. So I created Category:Member's Meetings subpage.
However in the case of Category:Laser Cutter I think it is useful to have the subpages in the main category. Category is less populous and subpages more likley to be over looked.
Not much a a definitive answer, but that's my thoughts at the moment. Jon (talk) 07:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done (25/01/2019)

Active Discussions

Clean up categories

there is already

Category:Pages_to_delete
Category:Pages_for_Update
Category:Pages_to_clean_up
and more

all used via Templates Category:Page_Action_Templates
--'RepRap' Matt 07:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Yup, but I want to make myself a list that I can check through and plan properly before submitting anything for deletion. I also want to be able to mark things for my own list, while still being able to check with the original writers/teams to see if pages are still required. Alexmann (talk) 07:40, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Alexmann, Lwk:Another way to keep track of pages that need attention for the WikiCleanup is just to list them on a page, either personal or on the project page. That would reduce confusion for readers not aware of the cleanup.
I've started a discussion about removing duplicate clean up and delete categories at Template_talk:Cleanup.Jon (talk) 14:44, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Ideas from the ToDo page

These ideas are listed on the ToDo page, some may be incorporate into the WikiCleanup:

  • New wiki Theme & layout? -- Probably best to keep the standard mediawiki theme, it's clean and works well + a custom theme could be a maintenance burden. -- Marcus 07:50, 20 April 2012 (EST)
  • Templates for:-
    • Pledges
    • Event planning and feedback
    • User pages
  • The Category:Activities needs to be done properly or deleted.
  • Current Events Page, Google calender, links to Blog/Events:
  • The community portal is intended to help people start contributing to the wiki. Describe best ways contribute here.
  • Key holders list
  • Updating the bookshelf page.

Jon (talk) 17:58, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Front Page

From Slack and discussion in the members meeting Feb 2019 it seems like the Main Page needs some re-organization. Any thoughts on this? I'll post in the slack group too and get views on what people think is important.

Personally I like this main page: https://wiki.comakingspace.de/Main_Page Its concise, clear and looks "friendly". --Danspencer101 (talk) 17:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

See: User:Danspencer101/Mainpage sandbox for a first attempt at updating the main page. Obviously still WIP. Any thoughts? --Danspencer101 (talk) 02:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Encourage general membership to post projects

Any thoughts how can we encourage this? Jon (talk) 07:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

A few ideas:

  • Some kind of monthly/quarterly newsletter.
  • More linking to the wiki from facebook/ twitter/ google group.
  • A small projects update agenda item at members meetings.
  • Mention sharing projects on the wiki during tours for new members
  • Signs in the space: "What are you working on?" Kind of thing
  • Some kind of competition. Eg. Each month a substantial edit to your project page enters you into a draw to win 1hr laser time.

Not sure if any of these have legs but its a start --Danspencer101 (talk) 09:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Good ideas. I like the idea of using hackspace 'credit' to motivate members. Revspace has used credit in a similar way to get cleaning done. I newsletter could be some work - so maybe quarterly would be a better time frame. It could also help highlight issues about hackspace governance that are currently being debated and flag up member's meetings, AGM etc. Jon (talk) 19:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)